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  • Googler
    02-18 03:58 PM
    I do not understand why out of 205 people who voted yes, nobody has :

    1) Contacted an attorney with his own money if they are so interested?
    2) Nobody has agreed to become a plaintiff except Googler.

    Googler, why don't you lead this effort and become the plaintiff and get a lawyer to start filing a case? You can file a class action lawsuit on behalf of all immigrant community. Once you file the case people will thank you and appreciate your bravery.

    I do not think this lawsuit idea will go anywhere unless someone is willing to risk his greencard for it. Because once you become a plaintiff USCIS will review your case more thoroughly. Plus you need to get your employer on the same page for it. You also need to spend thousands of dollars from your own pocket to take part in your lawsuit.

    Another thing, I do not trust lawyers opinion in this matter unless a lawyer is a litigation lawyer. If a lawfirm is good at filing paperwork and filling applications, they cannot do a class action lawsuit. They may show interest in it for money and publicity. You need to get a litigation lawyer only for it.

    I've said this before but perhaps I'll have to say it many more times till it sinks in
    ... the thinking on this is at a VERY VERY VERY preliminary stage. In real life class action lawsuits, named plaintiffs are chosen based on how well they fit the argument in the case, not the other way round. As I said upthread, all those who want decisions, deals, money etc RIGHT NOW are being pretty unrealistic -- probably just because of unfamiliarity with the progress of cases like this. I know people want to be reassured that there is NO risk of losing, every decision node is mapped out, responsibility assigned, but if that is what anyone is thinking they have to rejigger their thinking. ;-)

    IV members should also be aware that all we need are a few named plaintiffs, it isn't as though every IV member or even everyone wanting to sue needs to be a named plaintiff. All the judge needs to recognize is that there is a large group of applicants with same or similar grounds for suing USCIS/Emilio Gonzalez. Edit to add: IV the organization doesn't even need to be the primary plaintiff, since that will necessarily cutoff any parallel discussion with the agencies. The IV forums are just a place to organize this.

    Internet, if you voted no, why are you so worked up about it? Nobody is about to make you do anything you don't want to do. Carry on with your life, this is not about to impinge you negatively. Why do you care what other people do with their time?

    For people who voted yes, it is worth thinking about what you are willing to do for the effort -- at present, all that is needed is an interest and willingness to read and do some research and THAT IS ALL. Read the two paragraphs I quoted above.

    As far as contacting attorneys and moving the ball forward, it is a time consuming process -- it isn't as though they call you right back with a draft brief and legal arguments. This is not an ordinary paperwork issue. It has after all been a grand total of 6 days since the poll was started on 2-12-08!! ;-)

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  • chanduv23
    08-17 12:24 PM
    It looks like a lot of "so called educated folks" are PROBABLY JELOUS :) :) of Mr SRK.

    No matter what - he is a capable man and I appreciate him for whatever he is.

    If he is not doing anything to reduce poverty in India - well then it is his choice, but you can definitely let him know "Mr SRK please use your popularity in a good way and reduce poverty and disease in India"

    Folks - all the starts do have "value" When I say stars - they are public figures, right from mucisians to television anchors to actors or ramp models or anyone - they are what they are because of their destiny, so just because they cannot code or hold a sthethescope, does not mean they are bad.

    In fact The then president of the US applauded 'Bill Pullman" for his fascinating speech in the Independence Day movie claiming he did something marvellous.

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  • deepakjain
    08-15 10:12 AM
    I am sure the immigration officers might have got news about people from India make illigal entry into US when they come as part of some drama, dance, shows.

    Many "extras", dancers, musicians have vanished after landing in US.....check any local desi Indian resturant, kirana stores those desi working there are all illigal is not only mexicans but many from northern India states are here as illigal immigrants ....

    the easiest way to make entry into US, Canada is landing here as part of a show troop....few famous Indian personality have been detained and proved that they were tainted in human traffacking....Ministers, Movie Stars, SInger, Musical show organizers ....

    Many Desis have vanished in UK, Germany, Holland, US, Canada.... {I am not saying SRK is involved in Human Traffacking ...but Indian are and show is the most common option}

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  • eb2_mumbai
    09-25 01:27 PM
    I did a quick DB search and here are my findings for 2005 & 2006 PERM data

    2005 case status -certified = 6133
    Prevailing wage level - level II = 2212

    2006 case status certified 79782

    Prevailing wage level - level II = 32283


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  • srini1976
    09-23 05:50 PM
    Alright the numbers are out

    We have following EB2 numbers

    <=2004 7000
    2005 10800
    2006 19250
    2007(july) 10500
    Total 47,700

    EB2-ROW have very few applicants pending as i said in my earlier message ~7200. So CIS has to approve EB2 India/China cases to meet their approval numbers.

    Thanks Sachug22.

    Dec 2009 Visa Bulletin & Jan 2010 Visa Bulletin should give us clear picture about EB2 - I forward movement (if USCIS does spill over every Quarter this fiscal year - Most likely I expect the spill over to occur every Quarter this fiscal year).

    Other important indicator would be the spillover received by Eb2 - I till Sep 2009. If spillover is more(clearing majority of 2004 - Jan 2005 cases) that would be the best case scenario.

    Overall things look very positive.

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  • chintu25
    02-13 11:23 AM
    Ok - so what is it going to cost us to get a consult with Rajiv Khanna? Anyone know this? Until we have more details on this, I commit $25 for this first consultation. (I will gladly raise the commitment once I know how much this will cost and if IV Core Members support this initiative).

    We have three now and atleast 8 who supported this issue on the thread


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  • amoljak
    10-24 11:11 AM
    We have so much discussion on this topic in many threads but i dont know why people want to discuss samething again and again.

    We know LC substituion is good for few and worst for many...

    Admins can you please close the thread...

    One person stepped out of the line and another one took his place... How is that worse for you (or anybody else)? (let alone worst) You are still 957,643rd in the line :)

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  • BharatPremi
    12-14 04:57 PM
    Simple. If it wasn't for that ceiling the vast majority of the visas will go to applicants from the oversubscribed countries. Now this is not a bad thing if the visas are in unlimited supply. But since that's not the case, the country ceiling ensures that even people from smaller nations will get an equal oportunity to claim a visa before all the visa are grabbed by their BIG brothers and sisters. And what's more what ever is left is given back to the oversubscribed countries.

    How can you call that unfair? Is it fair to deprive a person from a smaller country, equal chance to have go at his GC?


    You are fond of "Ceiling", Good. Provide me a solution with a goal not to hurt progress march of US economy in following imaginary Scenario without changing current EB immigration laws:

    Assumption 1:Whole EB Bus starts with year 2009 - no backlog for ANY
    COUNRTY - USCIS does not have any kind of administrative
    mess - Situation in USCIS is such that moment it find work, it
    will send flower to you for keeping them busy. - US industry
    exactly need 140000 skilled and highly skilled people from outside
    world as within US they have shortage of exctly that number.
    and it can not afford a single person less than that to keep
    economy at balanced level.

    Assumption 2: India can provide 35000, China can provide 50000, Britain can
    provide 4000, Sweden can provide 2000, Saudi Arabia can
    provide 1000, Sri Lanka can provide 4000, Thailand can provide
    500, Pakistan can provide 5000, South africa can provide 5000
    ,Bangladesh can provide 1500 and rest 32000 from Europe
    (other than Britain) and each of above country cannot provide
    more labor that what is mentioned here. And other unlisted countries
    do not have any skilled persons to provide (This is assumption.. DO not go after me...:))

    So whole world together is ready to provide 140000 labor to US. With current laws tell me what will happen to US economy? Will US Industry be able to get all 140000?

    Will you still be trumpeting "Ceiling" drum?


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  • cinqsit
    01-14 03:19 PM
    I would argue that Indian consulting biggies saw that they could offer resources to clients at much cheaper rates than offered by American consulting companies. That drove down billing rates for everyone. Also one cannot deny the fact that persons who faked their resumes have contributed to the decline of the quality of talent pool. Don't get me wrong, bad apples existed and thrived in both big and small companies. But the occurences of such misdeed is/was more rampant in body shops. Some examples are the hiring of fresh grads & H4 & other unskilled workers and passing them off as "high skilled resource".

    On the other hand if American consulting companies bill high rates to clients, they are at leat still paying decent wages to their employees. So wages stay at moderate levels. But what This whole tiered employement brought into play was that the actual employee was not getting paid too much but the client would still pay quite a bit, maybe not as much as what an American consulting company would bill. The wages of IT professionals went down.

    Though this memo is reiterating the same rule again, they want to send a message that body shops are hurting the overall balance of the arrangement they had prior to when desi comapnies setup shops, and that they are keen on eliminating this source of imbalance.

    I agree completely. I fail to understand why people are so upset with this development. Your life will be better in the long run. Cant you all see ?


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  • snathan
    01-16 07:20 PM
    There is no such requirement for fresh H1B as well as renewal as per Law. That is why we call it an ILLEGAL memo. We all need to fight this together.

    NB: I am not a specialist in law

    We need to come up with a road map and how to fight?


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  • gc_chahiye
    06-28 07:41 PM
    I suggest that you do this: Send the URL from AILA's memo about what happened to EB3-other worker category in June. And copy your HR and senior folks of your company when you email lawyer. That will tend to focus the attention of your lawfirm and they will either have to say "We will file asap" or they will have to say "AILA's memo doesnt mean anything".

    I bet they will come back with the former conclusion.

    Apparently, these lawyers have been too conditioned to work 30 hours per week and now, having to work 60 hours per week is too tough. NEWSFLASH LAWYERS : We idiots in IT and software very often work long hours to meet project deadlines. Its a part of life. Get used to it or like I said before, find something else to do. Like basket weaving or poetry writing so that you dont have to see deadlines and dont have to burn midnight oil.

    This deadline is meaningless for them. We are not going anywhere. If dates retrogress, then we'll simply come back to them after 2 years or whatever.

    Unless the senior folks in your HR department specifically ask them to file asap, they wont.

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  • vdlrao
    07-23 10:41 AM
    vdlrao, Thanks for the great analysis.
    I am using DOS visa statistics and I arrived at EB quota numbers for 2008 as 162,707. There were 22,707 unused FB visa's in 2007 based on the DOS visa statistics @
    Typically the actual EB quota for the FY is revised in the September bulletin. I am not sure if DOS has already taken into account the new EB quota number for the Aug bulletin. If they hadn't taken into account the new quota number then we should see some forward movement in the Sep bulletin.

    However the 28,795 AC-21 recaptured visa's U are talking about has already been used in 2002, please take a look at the below mentioned link for details regarding the usage of those visa's.

    All the AC-21 recaptured visa's has been used by now.

    mpadapa, I am getting 31,100 unused Family Based Visas for 2007 fiscal year from
    DHS bulletin is not updated correctly like Employment Based AC21 VISAS? Please let me know.


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  • ksircar
    06-21 03:47 PM
    Hi Neocor,

    I understand your frustration very well. Of course the labor substitution is not logical, but it is not the root of the problem. Just think rationally how many people take advantage of this option. The real cause of our problem is Number of Visas. As long as it is legal, people will go for it. They should not be blamed, rather it is our inability that we didn't find the right "Approved Labor". If you find something suitable, will you not go for it?

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  • conchshell
    05-29 03:14 PM
    I guess all the euphoria we had last year because of EB1 spill over is coming to an end. People who play by rule and wait suffer the most, while people who are always on the look to find "innovative ways" get their GC faster. I remember, one of my friend who did a labor substitution got his GC many years before. But at the same time, he took the risk of joining a consulting firm, while I was more inclined to remain under the so called safety net of a big incorporation. I guess the more risk you take, more rewards you get (and sometimes get completely screwed too!!)

    However, we did a nice efforts last year to predict the visa bulletins. There was this guy vdlrao who did an impressive calculation and declared that EB2 will be current in an year. Well, its more than an year and what we have is worst than we had last year. I can only sympathies with EB3 guys, I don't know what to call it .. may be karma in previous birth.

    But my mute point is that we almost always create a false hope for us. First we predicted that EB2 will be current in one year, later on our whole legal immigrant community was nurturing the dream that Mr. Obama will win and his first executive order will be to ship GC's via overnight fedex. We overlooked that even though immigration is looking bad, but reforms in this area is a trailing priority for the new administration. Infighting within EB2/EB3 and various language speaking people is nothing new for us.

    Candidly speaking, neither we have seen any bright idea coming forward from us, nor people are willing to join hands and fight for their natural rights. So coming back to the original point, what's wrong if someone instead of depending on immigration forums, and "ethically" waiting in line, takes a little risk and gets his/her GC faster. Be it a labor substitution, or a guy going back to India and coming back as a Manager in EB1 category. Please remember that as long as its happening under the rules, its neither back door, nor illegal, or unethical.

    My 2 cents.


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  • sachug22
    09-15 03:16 PM
    you are correct India will get only 50% of sipill over numbers and we need to take into account how many China applications are pending (perhaps there are more China apps than India in EB2)

    There are 2.5 EB2-I application per EB2-C application. And EB2 China had cutoff dates of early 2005 in 2009 (they did not enjoy too much spillover in 2009). So my guess it that China will use its 3k annual limit + spillover numbers (depending on how much EB2-C dates move). The spillover would be split 25% china and 75% India.

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  • ita
    04-20 05:02 PM
    Congress was against NRI voting rights.They even said that if voting rights were to be given to NRI' then it should be given first to Indians in Gulf and other Muslim countries.It's anybody's guess why?

    Forget about voting rights to NRIs if congress gets power another time they are going to introduce reservations in Defense.No system in India into which reservations have been introduced stayed strong.This wold be ultimate insult and a death blow to the country.

    Like Muslims in Gujarat that have realized that Congress would keep them along with others in the country in poverty after taking their votes, hope all the other Muslims in the country realize it soon.Unfortunate thing is people who are self proclaimed cream of the top,that can think clearly and people who listen to this cream of the top are playing into the deceit of this party


    Poll is ok, but what about our voting rights? Many countries allow citizens to use proxy vote / vote by mail to exercise their rights... I remember that there was a bill in 2006 on the floor of parlement to allow this for NRI's and Congress party was dead against such a bill due to some reason... Not sure what happened after that...

    Its rediculous that about a million folks in this country and many more around the world, (I believe 30 million or so NRI's in total) are deprived of their fundamental contitutional right to vote, well a small portion compared to total population. Its unfortunate.


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  • satyasaich
    09-23 01:56 PM
    We can not control roy becks or lou dobbs
    When an elephant walk on a street, dogs will always bark because it's their nature

    This proposal if it hits the major news media will atleast catch the attention of most people regarding our plight as immigrants.

    On the other hand though, those on the other side will think that this proves their point --- they are losing jobs and money -- immigrants are taking it. They are losing houses and properties --- immigrants are taking it. They will put the blame on us.

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  • ita
    03-30 01:08 AM

    Please do understand MMS brought economic reforms when he was finance minister in P.V Narasimha Rao's govt.People thought country would see the same in 2004 when MMS was made PM. But Sonia Gandhi didn't give him that freedom.We didn't see any reforms in these 5 years.

    Opting for MMS is like saying I won't take Sonia/Rahul but would take them if they came with a wrapper called MMS. That's what MMS is.

    All those voting for MMS in the poll might as well vote for Rahul if you are bent on only congress party for communal/other reasons of your own.

    MMS is not even fighting these elections.As per congress party sources Sonia doesn't want to announce Rahul as PM candidate because if congress loses then Rahul has to take the blaim(which will affect his charisma..huh our leaders run not qualifications but charisma and even urban/rural people fall for that).If congress wins MMS will be replaced with Rahul citing health or some other issue within no time.
    I can understand rural masses but educated skilled people falling for the tactics of unskilled Sonia is something.No wonder she is going great.

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  • sodh
    03-19 12:42 PM
    why do you think labor substitution would increase the backlog?
    My company cancelled my labor process the day I resigned, tell me which big reputed company responded to a 45 day letter even when the candidate was not working with them, so that leaves us with companies like Cybersoft who filed multiple I-140 on one labor approval or there are people who are running parallel processes just to be safe and they are buying the sub. labor,so now even if the companies intention's are good,filling I-140 multiple times creates backlog in the service centers and then it is up to your fate if your file is picked up in the numerical order, in concurrent filling it was a race who got the the GC first the original beneficiary or the person who paid price for the same labor. Who are the people opposing substitution ban or the 45 day rule if you find them you will get your answers.

    02-16 03:36 PM
    bestia, the people here keep saying "i don't see the reasoning in x, then x must be wrong and should change"
    u believe US intended diversity in DV lottery only and by mistake put it in DV, FB and EB.. you are entitled to your opinion, but good luck getting someone to take u seriosly with this argument
    again..i only mentioned race when people kept saying we (certainly their race) are better and brighter, outside correcting that context i would never have discussed it this way.
    peace.. have a soccer game now.. c u later

    I guess, you still have to answer the question: "How keeping people who are in US, having kids and families, on EAD/AP for years serves the purpose of diversity?"

    Ow, I can convince a lot of people, by saying that US government wasted thousands of visas for countries without any country caps. Therefore "diversity" is a lousy and crappy excuse, the real problem is a complete mess, obsolete laws, corruption, and laziness of USCIS.

    06-11 07:59 PM
    My intention was not to devalue the merits of the incoming batch of immigrants. As I said, around 20% of the group are truly the best and the brightest. This was the case after the dotcom crash and will most likely be the case going forward. We had the same delays, retrogressions , guaranteed employment verification RFEs etc. used to be the immigrationvoice of the times. I do not see much difference for the techies between what was then and what is going on now in terms of delays. I see 2 dramatic changes though
    1. People arent patient enough during these times. You would agree to the amount of venting going on in this site.
    2. The incessant dumping of low cost of L1s by the outsourcing companies.

    If you think through deeply, the second point is what is causing all the heartburn among the people waiting for their GCs. Believe me. All these extrapolated timelines that scream that getting GC today would take 10 years are all bogus. These headlines were the same then too. I can confidently say that the GC process will move fast within a year's time once the layoffs stop. It is just that can you survive till the govt policies become more rational ? That is where the argument about the best and the brightest come into place. If you are one, you would survive this and you will get your GC within 3 years. Honestly, my ntention was to calm the nerves of those people genuinely talented and waiting for their GCs. If I had missed out on that count, I think I should improve my communication. The arwinian flush was just to highlight that fact.

    Makes sense now. Peace.

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