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  • alterego
    09-27 11:46 AM
    US economy situation is alarming. I doubt they will consider any immigration related bill until financial crisis stablises.2009 will be the key.Economy has to stablise. If not anti immigrants will block any bill citing the economy as the reason. If unemployment increases every month then any immigration reform is distance possiblity.Illegal immigrants are is getting publicity every year by rally for past 4 years but nothing happened. Pro immigrants are trying to block E-verify and some other anti immigration reforms. Anti immigrants are trying to block pro immigrant reforms. So any immigration reforms will be stalled until some compromise reached by moderates

    You are correct. However the corollary is that the pressure to resolve issues is building. The congress is getting a reputation as sitting and fiddling and as a "do nothing" body while problems of all sorts are worsening.
    For example, during this crisis were it not for the cooperation and goodwill of Foreign central banks, this financial situation could have gotten a whole lot worse. Could you imagine the impact of any of the many countries with US reserves over 300 Billion such as China, Japan, Saudi, Russia or India moving or just announcing their reserves will move into Euros or Gold given the current fragile mindset? That would have caused the dollar to simply plummet. Frankly given the current state of affairs, If I were a central banker, I would diversify the reserves.
    People may have differing views on how to fix things, but that they must everyone seems to agree. As not much has been accomplished on this and other issues over the last few years, we just might see a slew of issues addressed next year as a sense of urgency is building. This will be especially true if we get all 3 branches of Gov't on one side, right now that chance is with the Democrats.
    Doing nothing is quite simply paralyzing this country, we mainly see it on the Immigration issue as it affects us directly, but the same is true on many issues.

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  • chanduv23
    06-28 01:29 PM
    I heard that Fedex is going on strike in Nebraska in the month of July and will end their strike when retro kicks in?

    Did anyone else hear this?? Can anyone post a valid link to this other than

    OH OH OH OH Mathew site link????

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  • grupak
    02-13 08:51 PM
    Easy now!!! Simmer down.....

    Its just that every time the VB comes out, we get a lot of posts from folks from India/China who want to remove country limits. And they talk about only removing the country limits, as if removing country limits is going to solve the problem.
    You scare away ROW when you do that.

    Those who talk about only removing the country cap have not thought through the problem carefully. It will only slow everybody down. At the same time only increasing the visa number by say a factor of 2 will not solve the problem either since majority of EB GC are from a few countries.

    As paskal, others and I have been saying IV is for all EB GC, and we should look at solutions that help everyone.

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  • sargon
    03-28 01:45 AM
    What is the relevance of such long boring rant on an immigration website? What's worse, its not even your original composition. Just some cut and paste from other websites. Cease and desist from such behavior.

    And then they say, they are the future of India.


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  • nik.patelc
    09-03 02:38 PM
    Folks whose views "Very sad news...May his soul rest and peace." for indian politicians are stupid and ediot. Not a single indian politician is admirable except Atalji.

    about YSR, who violated Indian constitute being secular by promoting one religion(everyone knows) . Under his government, Whose life is improved? Any farmers, middle class folks , poor are same as before? No.

    So, dont write Sorry , sad news, his soul rest and peace on this board, otheriwse, someone like me freak out and reply.

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  • snathan
    03-27 12:19 PM
    How about rajinikanth, vijaykanth, kamalhasan..........

    Amitab bachan, hrithick, shah rukh..............

    If Imran khan has come in to politics why not Azharuddin ?

    We can keep guessing but you know who is the right guy ,

    Abdul kalaam (can a president become a prime minister too again or something will limit him not to).

    Or deport bobby jindal there and make him india PM so that he can release statements about US from there :D:D:D

    If vijayakanth becomes PM...we dont have to worry about pak terror any more.
    By talk itself this guy will kill every one...

    By the way I also nominate T.Rajendar...

    Why would only we suffer.


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  • mbartosik
    12-13 05:52 PM
    it's not the cost of getting an opinion that matters.
    See my two prior posts on being pragmatic.

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  • ash27
    04-02 11:48 PM
    Some time back when I asked my chinese colleagues to join IV they commented that is an "indian" immigration forum...

    No wonder they felt that way.
    Sk2006, you seem to have an issue. What is your problem if other people want to share their thoughts through this collaboration platform. I told u earlier that if u r not interested, don't go through this thread. If u are sincere, then u will not reply kiddishly and will act sensibly.... Grow up dude....


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  • STAmisha
    08-31 07:37 AM
    Yes Job market in India is lot hotter than Canada ( IT ) . For that matter it is hotter than US also !!!! But Canada is a 1st world not 3rd world. Once you get that first job in Canada and settle down, there is not much difference between US and Canada in terms of earning and saving potential. There is a short term pain for that INITIAL FIRST job in CANADA, but it is worth it.

    Do what you feel like ( moving to India vs Moving to canada) . Every place has its advanatges , In India, family is a big advantage. But quality of life especially social life really sucks! Canada, you have to consider weather ( it is COLLLLLDDDD in winter ). Do what is best for you

    Also, you mentioned that India has 50 times more jobs than Canada. It is true but the competition is also HUGE . Every teenager now a days does programming course and every second person is an enginneer.

    Good lUck

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  • sumagiri
    07-23 02:07 PM
    that EB3 quota has been used up for this fiscal and will re-open in October only. I assume you're wondering whether some FB spill over would go to EB3. If that's the case they wouldn't have announced EB3 quota is over.

    Legal, Thanks again. Also that is where exactly is the contradiction in analysis.

    In my understanding, they must apply any spill over to EB3 too. EB3 gets 28.6% of total quota (Including spill overs). If some one is sure that it is not the case, please correct me.

    If spill over was already applied and if EB3 will not open up again, then EB3 already got its share of spill over and EB2 also used up some part of that spill over, so only part of that spill over is left for the 2 months.

    If spill over is not applied yet, then EB3 should get 28.6% of what ever is spilled over to total EB quota. Hence EB3 should open up again.

    Please note that I am not making this complex. I am only pointing at complexities.


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  • GCOP
    09-23 12:38 PM
    I completely agree with DSLStart. We are paying Monthly Mortgages, property Tax and Insurance for Home. and contributing to Economy So Please include Current Homeowners also.
    Current homeowners who are waiting for their GC MUST also be exempted from cap. This clause has to be there. Without having any gurantee of getting GC these folks have invested their savings in buying home even when the prices were high, WHY because they had real intent of making US their permanent home. So these people should too be exempted from EB cap.

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  • mallu
    02-13 02:13 PM
    I am eating 3 times a day and looking for the fourth meal. Meanwhile there is a bunch hanging around the kitchen looking for atleast 1 meal a day. The food supply is limited. If i join with those , i might be in a situation of 2 meals a day. Even though justice is done with respect to whole lot, there was some injustice to me. What is then the incentive to work with IV ? Wasn't that the tone of question ?


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  • sapota
    02-12 12:54 PM

    Good strategy. Need to make sure all EB provisions are still intact in these reforms targetted for spring & Summer of this year.

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  • advad
    07-15 01:01 AM
    Hi there,

    Here is my situation, any help to resolve this is appreciated.
    - My self (primary) & my wife's(derivative) I-485's (PD June 2002) were filed in March 2007.
    - My I-485 was approved in July 2007, my wife's was pending due to NC.
    - My wife's employer filed PERM (PD June 2007) & then filed I-140 in March 2008.
    - We recently contacted NSC regarding my wife's case status, we received a letter from them stating that, her I485 is waiting for I-140 to get approved.

    They linked her new I-140 to her pending I-485 that was filed as derivative.Is this USCIS error?.How to correct this error and have them consider her I-485 application as a derivative application?.

    Thanks for your help.


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  • grupak
    02-13 03:05 PM
    Besides that, immigration is a privilege not a right, so if the US wants diversity and limit per country immigration, it is their right to do so. Before you start being shocked by this, I am NOT saying I do not understand your frustration and the feeling you discriminated against, but rights are rights and we knew that before we started the process. If we can improve it great, if we can't we will just have to deal with it realisticly.

    take care

    Everybody agrees that GC is a benefit that can come from employment, it is not an entitlement. However, we do not have to except the current situation as fate. Making the process better is what IV is about. And yes, there is no guarantee that things work out exactly as IV plans.

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  • venky321
    01-13 05:42 PM
    Interesting. I think there would probably be around maybe half a million or so H1Bs currently in the US, probably more , working in the IT industry. Many if not most would work for these consulting companies; ranging from the large one's like Accenture or TCS to the grocery store offices in NJ. All of them have the potential to be affected if this memo is strictly enforced.

    While I would be glad if all the shady consultancy firms that have wrecked the H1B program to be put out of business; there might be serious disruptions in the IT industry if hundreds of thousands of workers are going to be forced out; even if in a phased manner; i.e. letting folks stay till their current visas expire.


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  • snathan
    03-30 02:12 PM
    What did you get from this Govt. (any ??)
    What did your home get from this Govt, (any ??)
    What did your City get from this Govt. (any ?/)
    What did your state get from this Govt, (any ??)

    Why do you want this Govt ?.

    Do some research on Nuclear deal and see what it will bring to India in the next couple of decades. And tell me what Mr.Advani brought us when they were in power.

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  • nandakumar
    05-11 06:56 PM

    I'm already in my beloved place and with your contribution and help to Immigration Voice, I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Thanks for the help.

    Remember, you are doing this to potentially ditch India and to change your nationality and are going to take oath

    "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law..............."

    My question is, hypothetically if in future if there is a war between USA and India, and hypothetically you become a US citizen, how do you conform to the oath?

    Looks like my posting hit the nerve hard, i see it from your response.

    I'm cultured enough not to bring your mother and father into the conversation.

    Good Luck

    Ask your mom why she had you with shameless Indian. US citizenship looks too far for you, sail to your beloved place and make sure you throw your passport on your way.

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  • ujjwal_p
    05-11 09:07 PM
    For me it is personal, my kith and kin are getting killed (talking about innocent civilians and not the LTTE) in Sri Lanka and India is actively supporting the Govt of Sri Lanka with weapons and other things,

    Get your facts right first. India is not actively supporting Sri Lanka. It would be suicidal for India (especially considering nutcases like you that exist) to even think of that again. Sri Lanka is using Israeli UAV's and Chinese fighter aircraft and artillery to fight the LTTE. In fact, India is at a strategic disadvantage now because we choose not to help Sri Lanka militarily. And in fact, Sri Lanka has always suspected India of supporting the LTTE. Read about the "string of pearls" geopolitical strategy of China before letting your emotions run crazy.

    India can leverage its power to stop Sri Lanka to fight until Tamil civilians are cleared from the war zone but deliberately India is not doing that.

    India rightfully doesn't care about the LTTE. LTTE is a terrorist organization. Period. They killed a former Prime Minister and it doesn't matter if you support the Congress party or the BJP. This is beyond politics and concerns the nation. The primary humanitarian issue in the conflict so far has been with Mullattivu. As soon as that stage started, Shiv Shankar Menon, the Indian Foreign Secretary went and conveyed India's concerns to the President and other higher officials in Colombo. You tell me what India should do. Should we send the IPKF again maybe? Let's get realistic.

    I abide by the constitution of India but at the same time I cannot be silent when the country leadership is pursuing a wrong policy, that I wouldn't have protested if India never involved in the issue ever but India used to be actively involved in the issue and has stake in it.

    Fine, I don't agree with my government all the time. But I don't say I'm ashamed of my country like you did. In this situation, India does not have any control unless we want to go to war with Lanka. And the LTTE is a terrorist organization declared by the USA. So now genius you tell me,what should we have done.

    In my case, I came here to study and got an opportunity to work and decided that US is the best place for my career and applied for GC, eventually I might apply for citizenship but with this issue I have another strong reason to pursue my GC.

    Awesome. Good for you. India won't miss you either. And I can tell you right now, you are the kind of a person who will not have any loyalties anywhere but to a very small narrow race or culture. You do not understand the definition of a pluarlistic democracy and will never assimilate anywhere. The day the US says something about the Lankan conflict or any other conflict which you disagree with you'll bolt to Canada. I guarantee that. It doesn't matter to me what you do but don't go around misleading people here by casting aspersions on what India or for that matter any country can do in a complex geopolitical situation. You don't know half of it and you better grow up and admit it.

    Just for argument sake, If one believes that their country of birth is pursuing a wrong policy, they can choose to move to a different country rather than living there and blaming it at every opportunity . What is wrong with it?

    History is full of so many examples

    Jews from Nazi Germany
    Oppressed from communist soviet union
    Cubans from Fidel Castro regime
    Sikhs from India
    and so on and so forth

    If you or some one is curious, just to introduce me. I'm member of IV from Feb 2006, I participated in all the IV initiatives, besides check my entire forum history to see any where i had showed dissent towards India or for that matter any thing desperate except for free riders in the forum. This is issue is personal to me and I have strong opinion on this.

    FYI, I am not Tamilian but I have lived in Tamil Nadu for more than 10 years and can speak it fluently. Needless to say, I have a lot of Tamilian friends and know the culture. I understand the suffering that the Sri Lankan tamils are going through, especially in the Mullattivu region. But we have to understand this is a war which has been going on for decades now. What do you expect to happen in a war? Rave parties?

    Anyway hopefully, this will mark the end of the sufferring of both Sri Lankan Tamils and Sinhalese from now on. Both sides in that country have gone through enough already.

    Also I give a rats a** how long you've been in IV. It's your attitude and narrow minded selfishness which tell the whole story for everybody to see.

    06-15 04:18 PM
    I hear you buddy but that is what America is and that is what makes America so great. The constant flow of immigrants/productivity growth through technological enhancements will always require you to keep upgrading your skills and hence your salary.

    The moment you were forced to enroll in MBA in an effort to upgrade your skills and hence increase your salary means American model and (comparative advantage) economics are working.

    The same thing happened in agriculture, then manufacturing, and now IT and other industries. It is inevitable!

    By the way, it is not dumping. Here is the real definition of dumping, "the act of a manufacturer in one country exporting a product to another country at a price which is either below the price it charges in its home market or is below its costs of production".

    For your information, I like everyone was, am and will most likely continue to be affected by the outsourcing/offshoring/onshoring/immigration/technological innovation/etc.

    Finally protectionism does not work. Take a look at Detroit... in 1960s, 1970s and 1980s, the workers bargained for high salaries, job security, retirement benefit plans, etc., free and clear from any foreign worker competition. And now in 2009, take a look at what happened to these workers at the big three, to their house values, to their children's future, to their retirement funds, etc.

    After this do you really think you can protect yourself by closing the door behind you when that is the only exit door, in case you need one!

    Ivar and group,

    I think you guys are missing the plot here. Let me reiterate loud and clear. I am NOT against immigrants getting GC. I will not, even in my wildest dreams, claim that the recession is due to the H1Bs and L1s. That is complete baloney spread around by the anti immigrant lobby. My point is let the deserving the GCs soon and not go thru the mindless wait I went thru.

    Having said that I am for the following :

    1. If the outsourcing companies would pay on an avg at 80K per head for the "well qualified" people, I am even ok with their dumping their dumping the L1s here. Why is it that you guys are ok with the L1s being dumped at 40K-60K salaries ? Shuldn't they get paid high too ? This is what I am arguing for. If the outsourcing cos dont want to pay this rate, then keep them in the country of origin. No need to depress wages here. Is this a wrong thing to ask ?

    2. Grassley's bill may force some companies to move entirely to India or China. Isnt that good for India and China ? Why are the pro immigrants against this ? Some times I get the feeling as to who actually is pro and who is anti immigrant !!!! In adition, it may eliminate the many backlogs and help the deserving people here.

    3. People who have made a conscious decision to immigrate here have done so considering the standard of living as one of the primary factors in their decisions. In order to enjoy this standard of living, people have to constantly upgrade skillsets to remain competitive in an industry or move to another industry where mass interest is relatively low. Why should these people's lives, after all the travails, be impacted by the low wage scum outsourcing companies. Please remember these companies, like an other company on earth, operate only on self interest. No point in supporting such companies which in adition to the self interest principle also flout rules with abandon.

    4. In my opinion, self interest has alwyas resulted in the greater good of society. Do not confuse self interest with greed. Greed is what caused this financial mess. If people/companies operated with concern for greater societal good, they would have spent billions in concocting an AIDS vaccine for the children in Africa than to spend the same billions in concocting VIAGRA for the rich old men. Since employment based immigration debate involves companies' interests too, we have to balance societal good with some impact for the companies. My suggestion here is that let the outsourcers take the hit. They have always benefitted by flouting the rules. If your concern is way too high for your L1 brothers then you would find it prudent to bring in the law that clearly states "Pay high wages for the L1s or dont bring them in here". I dont understand what is wrong here ? Is it that I didnt convey my message across right or is it that people blindly support immigration ?

    01-15 09:15 PM
    USA was like that for past 100 years. Many times Protectionist bills were passed and many times they were relaxed in past. There will be impacts but it will not bring down the country just because they block a few thousand H1bs. If USA needs to go down there should be some other alternative country should come up relative to that level. India and china have a potential but nowhere near to that for now as they so much dependent on USA and dollar.

    Stop your crap...your argument is irrelavent and does not have any logic.

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