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  • PlainSpeak
    01-13 12:54 PM
    Do not overanalyze any bill- All these bills are mere drafts until they come on floor for debate, and even after that they go thru amendments, rewriting, and the final bill comes out in most cases to be very different from the original. Even after the bill is passed in both houses, the committees that are responsible in reconciling the bill will tweak it and fine tune it.
    This means that even good provisions can be deleted at any time during the debate, thru an amendment lobbied by the antis- if the EB Community is not vigilant.
    To give you an insight: In Dec 2005, there was a line item in a bill that would have recaptured visas for EB applicants, the bill was passed � and at the last minute this provision was deleted.

    IF you read through the provisions and the paper that IV created for lobby days in July 2010- Each one of the provisions and the underlying text that IV is asking for has been written with clear understanding of the issues EB applicants face- It is written in a way that if incorporated in any of the bills as an amendment- will give fair and balanced numbers to all categories -EB3, EB2.

    So, regardless of which bill (Immigrant friendly) comes on the floor- IV will lobby to have this package included as an amendment. Or IV will lobby to get this inserted into the main bill.

    So- Please, do not get worked up about EB3 vs EB2. OR India vs China vs World

    The real work is to be vigilant about what bill has the chance to come on the floor and then lobby to get the amendments included.

    There are bigger issues for our community- Not one immigrant friendly bill has come up for debate in the last 4 years (exception is the dream act). And here the IV Community is debating and fighting about provisions about one of 100 bills that might never see a chance on the floor.

    The big battle is to advocate and lobby at grassroots to get a bill to come on the floor- persuade lawmakers to be cosponsors for a bill that will help us, and then when the bill is up for debate, we can talk about what we should include as amendments or insert in the main bill to make it fair for everybody.
    Mr amitjoey yours is the first sane reply to my comments till now. I like your style. And yes there is no sense sighting till the actual bill is tabled. What concerns me is the wil lof IV to do something right for a change. As i said in the inital post (which was long by the way, but sorry i am through in everything i do) the chances of the bill getting debated far less passing is so less it makes no sense to fight now. So all we have right now is dicsussions where me as concerned party in this matter have come up with an idea. Now an idea by definition is just that. begeneining. It might work out it might not work out but it has to be discussed through and that i all i was loking for, but unfortunalty some EB2 members on this forum got abusive and have now come to a level where they are lying about receiving nasty IM from me

    As to your statement
    There are bigger issues for our community- Not one immigrant friendly bill has come up for debate in the last 4 years (exception is the dream act).
    I would humbly beg for some clarification because If not one immi friedly bill has come up for debate in the last 3 years what justification is there is the IV charter statement that we will fight for removal of country quota and recovery of unused visa. What chances are there that these 2 items wil be debated and be part of any immi friendly bill in the future

    I am not sure if you have gone out in public recently but this country has become a lot less immigrant friendly for various reasons beyound the scope of this forum but nevertheless a lot less immigrant friendly

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  • bfadlia
    02-15 05:07 PM
    I am not saying that there are more Chinese and Indians here. I am saying that application process is not fair since it does not give everyone a fair shot.

    I am saying if more highly skilled Chinese and Indians apply for the same job,no cap should prevent them from immigration. If there FIFO ( First In and First Out), how will ROW suffer ? Can you explain ?

    You are not saying there are more chinese and indians here, so that means what? that there are not more chinese and indians here?
    As you said half the world population is indian or chinese and I'm saying this, rather than pure skill, is why there are more of them here. This is why I repeatedly protest your reference to only skills and brightness as the factor for the non balanced EB population.
    If the world population is the reference, the US would have to take half of its immigrants from 2 countries, they clearly don't want that so they conciously set that rule.. u need them to change the rule u need to give them a reason that's useful for them not for you.

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  • santa123
    09-24 12:48 AM
    I am not trying to ruin this party... Let us not start our celebrations yet.
    what if the EB2 & EB3 dates go backwards in Nov visa bulletin?
    Should we be ready to face it too?

    After all we are dealing with ****** USCIS....:rolleyes::eek::confused:

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  • rkg000
    09-04 10:35 AM
    I do not think you understood the meaning of my words correctly.
    If you are a friend of YSR, you won't find a better friend than him and he will go out of way to help you. If you are his enemy, be prepared for consequences. This is also the motto of US Army and its origin is attributed to what a famous roman general once said of himself.

    "No friend ever served me, and no enemy ever wronged me, whom I have not repaid in full"

    YSR is a very successfull CM. He delivered what mattered most to the poor people. Some other states like Tamilnadu are introducing some of his schemes like Rajiv arogyashree. More than 30 people died after learning that he is dead. Very few people can inspire that kind of reverence and affection. He may have his short comings but he achieved more than most can dream of.
    It is silly to quote corruption every time you discuss politicians. Show me any major politician of consequence who did not face corruption charges at some time or the other. It is always present in one form or the other since the beginning of politics. We are all watching what is happening with healthcare reform bill here and how powerfull insurance industry is influencing it's outcome.
    And who is making these allegations? Surprise, opposition parties and some sections of media that are opposed to him.

    His death is definitely a loss to the state. We need competition among politicians and that competition existed between YSR and Babu and I like both of them. Between the two, I think AP progressed overall.

    This thought of submission is exactly what has always pulled India back from moving forward. That unless you are corrupt you are not normal. Speaking out against corruption is abnormality for us. Just starting out schemes does not ensure good. If everybody from the CM to the peon in the office demands his share how does the money trickle down to the needy?


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  • TeddyKoochu
    07-22 12:49 PM
    I had green dots till yesterday, but after posting fun stuff on this thread people gave me red dots..... why is that? This tread has zero value, it is like Santa singh jokes.

    Looks like people are so serious in their life that they cannot understand difference between fun and real stuff...

    This thread was for fun so I posted funny things....pls don't give me red for this

    Thanks Rohan, Iam glad that we clarified the mis-understanding and that I have not lost a good friend due to some confusion. I have not given any red dots for any of your posts rest assured.

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  • tikka
    07-04 09:33 AM
    This is a HUGE issue if it is true. Can we verify it preferably with a URL?

    This is what I meant when I said that we should identify all the issues and worry about english later. BTW, this is what is taught in a writing course: outline first, english later.

    I have scanned most of the letters posted in thread. I will carefully scan them again and add their issues to my skelton.

    Most of the letters are missing or not stressing some HUGE points like above. These HUGE points are bold faced in the articles I post. Editorials have a lot of these so called punch lines.

    i picked this up from one of the threads.. not sure if it was the breaking news or media thread .. we need member info and url if possible...


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  • old_hat
    05-02 02:38 PM
    The issue started long before LTTE but it has not stayed static. There were many opportunities to set it correct which LTTE shunned. Again a lot of Tamils joined mainstream in Lanka and LTTE went after them too.

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  • breddy2000
    09-03 11:50 PM
    This is not your YSR's factionist land to be afraid off. Same id or not, you can't pick a hair.

    With your utmost stupidity!!!!!

    Anyway thanks for the Humor from your stupidity...


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  • sriramkalyan
    01-13 07:55 PM
    My take is BODY SHOPPING is killed.
    H1Bs can work at direct employer or as an employee of direct vendor at off site.

    No more small consulting firms sending resumes to direct vendors. May be in long term its good for H1Bs.

    Mostly Desi consulting firms will get hit. Outsourcing companies like TCS,Infosys are direct vendors to big clients. They will OK ..

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  • sumagiri
    07-23 08:04 PM
    Yes i am very much implying that ..EB2 PD was 02 in Dec, 01 in Jan, Unavailable in Feb-March 08. So there where very few visas given to EB2 india in first 8 months. Same with China went back to 03 in Dec and stayed there for most of the 8 months period.

    From Dec 08 Visa Bulletin


    It may be simply because EB2 numbers are used up fast for the quarter. It is right now a blind spot and an estimate of what happened depends on perspective.

    Any how, you brought up a new perspective so gave you a green.


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  • smisachu
    06-16 03:22 PM
    Dear fellow. There are various types of population segregation. If you set a high bench mark then only those capable of achieving it will come in. But in the US immigration system, the bench mark is set low and after gathering the population they are just making the flow a trickle. This is like collecting dirty water in a barrel and turning the tap to a trickle to filter impurities. If you want to filter impurities put a filter before the water enters the barrel.

    That is not the way to filter. If they need a stricter way to filter they should mandate that (this is just a hypothetical suggestion):

    EB1- Only PhD�s period.
    EB2A- People with Masters from US universities (STEM+MBA)
    EB2B- people with Masters from other countries (STEM+MBA)
    EB3A- People with Bachelors in STEM
    EB3B- People with Bachelors (Others), and so on.

    Mind you I am not professing that a masters from a US university is any better than one from say an Indian university. I have studied both places and I will tell you that the level of education in India is so much superior to what we get in US.

    Right now you have IT guys going in to EB1 claiming to be multinational executives and getting GC. While people with Masters from US universities are waiting in EB2. Since the USCIS screwed up from the get go, the least they can do is to do a visa re capture so that visas that were mandated for EB immigration but were wasted are rightfully used for us. At least this way they will let in some good stuff . Some of the bad stuff will creep in but it is a casualty of war (or stupidity in this case).

    By the way I don�t think that they are trying to filter at all. They have just screwed up.

    I hope that you are more qualified than I am and I am not going to waste your time or my time contesting it. However, you could be a little more humble. I would also like to point out that your high qualifications may be failing you in your critical and deductive reasoning. Refer to the highlighted portion of your quote. If I may reason on an analogous note, you are saying that the current IIT JEE examination lets in a few people who aren't qualified. So by making the examination more tougher, it has more chances of letting in unqualified people. Needless to say, I am stumped.

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  • _TrueFacts
    09-04 11:13 AM
    Mr. CHANDV23.....You should have been aware that when you are logged in with your alias(aka _TrueFacts) it turns "Green dot" beside your ID. Your other ID "CHANDUV23" turns blue if you do not use it...

    Still making me laugh the hell lot trying to prove your point by hiding behind your real Identity. Why not accept that you are indeed "CHANDUV23" Hahaha...

    I guess this is what is called "Wolf in Sheep clothes"


    This is a online public does not matter if CHANDUV23 and _TrueFacts are same or not.

    Do you have any point against YSR who was "corrupt, factionist gunda, land grabber who has killed numerous people” never ever seen in the history of AP.


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  • LostInGCProcess
    05-01 07:02 PM
    Sri Lankan Tamils may not be Indian citizens but are etinic Indians and that is what their problem is and it is the problem in several other places like Malasiya, Fiji, Trinidad etc. these people are still called Indians in these countries and being discriminated. India being a powerful nation should protect the rights of ethnic Indians, but it doesn't....most or all of us know the reasons, it is being ruled by a lame duck govt. who cannot protect citizens living within the Indian boundries, so even if they try to interfere in other countries affairs, I'm sure even a smal coutry like Sri Lanka has guts to say Shoooo!!!! to our foreign Minister. India does not have any respect whatsoever in the world politics now, whatever was earned during the NDA govt. is all lost, nobody sees India with any respect any more, so atleast in my mind I know the answer why India is turning a blind eye towards the killing of Tamils in Sri Lanka & blatant Human Rights murder by a tiniest neighbor

    I agree with you. It really amazes me that India is not even saying "something" being a so-called "super-power" in south Asia. Until the last generation of politicians are out of the indian political system, nothing is going to change when it comes to the image or pride of India. At least we should exert out strength and take a leadership role in South Asia and show our power.

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  • vivid_bharti
    09-04 07:13 AM
    India is still a country where 99% people would leave the country given a chance. Also leaving your country and be here as a 2nd grade citizens living your life like an asylee, don't know when you could be thrown out ? You are paying $2000 per year to US govt. to allow them to let us live in the country, we are beaten in Australia, we are beaten in middle east. But 1 thing in common, we don't want to live in India.
    But even if you think Rajiv Gandhi or Indira gandhi did something they did only for 1% people.

    We indian are fed with Gandhi family's name stamped on every grain and every drop that's why you are thinking you are alive because of the Gandhi family. Atal Bihari Vajpayee achieved what Rajiv Gandhi or Indira Gandhi did not achieved in 50 years of Gandhi family rule, but he didn't convert India into a Vajpayee country so you don't know the values. And by the way Rajiv Gandhi played most communal politics than any other PM did. He opened the gates of Ram Janma Bhoomi to douse the fire of Shah Bano case, he is responsible for awakening the Ayodhya Ghost All that I'm saying is why do you need to single out one politician. Can you compare YSR with Mr. Modi(Ghodra Express Issue), Mr Advani(Babri Mazdid Issue)...on how many innocent lives have been lost because of their filthy politics...

    And mind you , you and me are working here in US cos of the open policies created by Mr.Late Rajiv Gandhi in the IT Sector. All that I'm saying is someone or something is better than none.

    For that matter do you support War on Iraq , War on Afghanistan when it comes to people lives...
    First know the facts before you comment and have guts to comment revealing your original ID and not with a hidden one....created just for the sake of it

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  • at0474
    12-14 05:41 PM
    What if only few countries ONLY can supply the required skilled labor sufficiently and no other countries countries can?

    Then the numbers get distributed among those few countries that produces required skilled labor. To some extent, I thought this is already happening!!:rolleyes:


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  • Aah_GC
    07-11 06:10 PM
    Guys.. can one of you please suggest a good Canadian PR processing company? I keep getting mails from Is Protech good?

    Would really appreciate a reply.

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  • vdlrao
    09-15 03:19 PM

    You are admired a lot for bringing in hope for lot of people with your EB2 prediction thread, can you jump in and throw some numbers here please if you think the numbers quoted are out of way, i understand this is time consuming but since you already did your homework last time around it should take you few minutes to come up with some realistic numbers.

    Hi ocpmachine,

    I dont know the exact Eb2 India labors certified for the given years. But initially I assumed that Eb2 India would be almost current or in the worst case it would cross 2006 because of the spill over. Because I assumed and hoped very high on the spill over numbers. But in reality the spill overs also didnt make a big impact in the EB2 India movement. See the previous visa bulletins you could find that Eb2 is is in the middle of 2004 in the year of 2005 itself. Since 2005 to 2007 its there in 2004 many times.

    But in 2008 and 2009 EB2 India got the maximum share of the spill over visas. But still the dates are in the first month of 2005. So hardly EB2 India moved forward about 6 months to 9 months in the duration of 2008 and 2009 with the help of spill overs. That too in this bad economy where there would be comparatively less labors applied than the previous years.

    So I am expecting a steady and consistent forward movement of EB2 India but not a quick jumps of couple of years in single bulletin.
    I hope it makes clear to everybody. And all we need is an EB immigration reform.

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  • samay
    08-03 07:21 PM
    Hi Samay,

    We would really appreciate if you could provide your inputs on our case.

    My wife came to usa on H4, and transferred to H1 in 2006 to work for a desi consultancy.

    Recently she took a full-time position with a fortune 500 company. Her H1 transferred to new company without any problem.

    We would like to appear for her first time H1b stamping at Vancouver during next month. We have some concerns regarding the following issues. Any inputs are highly appreciated.

    She graduated in India and worked for an IT company in India for 2.5 years before coming to USA. Can she appear for visa interview in canada, though she does not have degree from USA.

    Her H1 started on Oct 1st,2006. But she did not find a job until Mid November during the first year. Her employer is not willing to put the start date on work experience letter as Oct 1st, rather on both offer letter and work experience letter the start date has been mentioned as Mid Nov. Will this discrepancy in H1b start date and offer letter start date would be a problem during stamping?

    She has some intermittent large gap in work experience due to the pregnancy. Thus, she has significantly smaller wages (50% less)on w-2 compared to offer letter during second year. But the work experience from previous letter does not state any gaps in work experience. Will the VO would ask for any additional details regarding the wage difference.

    Also, there is a gap of 15 days between the last date on previous employers work experiene and new job start date, and the same can be found from the letters from different employers.

    After she changed to full-time, she has all the required docuemntation for H1B stamping.

    We would like to know the severities of these concerns and suggestions to overcome the same.

    I have a few questions:

    Was she working part time during her pregnancy if so was an amended H1 B application filed for her. Also were the wages she was paid less than what were mention on her LCA.

    04-28 10:42 PM

    Will the no labor substitution clause will affect in any way for the following situation -

    1. Company A - labor cleared, approved I-140 and now moving onto Company B. Can the old labor PD be ported to the new labor certification and new I-140 approval with Company B.

    I am assuming that the labor cannot be used for anyone within Company A. Right ?

    What are your thoughts.


    07-21 07:59 PM
    If I understand correctly, there is no mechanism for unused EB visas to spill over to the following year's EB, but the law allows unused FB visas to spill over to the following year's EB ?!

    The unused Employment Based visas will be added to the following year's Family Based visas.

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